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    I would agree with that assessment, Dhu Varren.

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    The Cravens was in use; I traveled in it from Limerick Junction to Portarlington. I didn't notice that the corridor connection would be locked as I didn't need to switch coaches. As it was a warm day 18th June 2003 (found me diary!) the lack of heating didn't twig either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhu Varren View Post
    The original Dutch vans could run 'out of service' in a train of Mk 2 AC stock but, like the Cravens, their gangways were incompatible, and their electrical systems were not suitable for running air conditioning.
    Thanks for the correction and explanation, David.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irishswissernie View Post
    The Cravens was in use; I traveled in it from Limerick Junction to Portarlington. I didn't notice that the corridor connection would be locked as I didn't need to switch coaches. As it was a warm day 18th June 2003 (found me diary!) the lack of heating didn't twig either
    I suppose IE could strengthen with the Craven in limited circumstances, return to non-gangwayed coaching, in summer during daylight hours, though this must have been an exceptional circumstance.
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    Dhu Varren, your analysis is exactly correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiveController View Post
    I suppose IE could strengthen with the Craven in limited circumstances, return to non-gangwayed coaching, in summer during daylight hours, though this must have been an exceptional circumstance.
    It's possible the coach was not supposed to be in use but that someone forgot to lock the doors...

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    More likely a member of staff in it.

    As stated above, a whole host of incompatibility issues (as well as H & S re. gangways) would have prevented such things.

    In the "olden days", no such restrictions applied, which is why it's becoming so popular with modellers. ANY wooden coach from any company, Cravens, laminates of all varieties, Bredins and Park Royals could all be in the same train. BR and Dutch vans interchangeable, along with the various types of "tin van".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garfield View Post
    It's possible the coach was not supposed to be in use but that someone forgot to lock the doors...
    Yes, this is the most likely explanation, I thought nothing of it at the time but then I had been up since 5am and had to sort out my own breakfast at the Ballykisteen Lodge B&B etc. As for locked gangway doors, I regularly caught a service from Basle to Zurich Flughafen at Brugg which had a double deck First Class coach in the single level set. Its connection was/is at the upper level,but it was always in service. Swiss double deck sets often had a single deck Driving Trailer at that time also in regular service. I have added another rarity on Flickr from video stills - a 2 coach Push/Pull set on the Limerick shuttle. https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishs...in/dateposted/

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    That is most certainly a rarity! Thanks for sharing, Ernie!
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    just a follow up https://www.flickr.com/photos/159778...-9tBM2P-dkBXuj

    shows a galway train with a TPO and its one BSGV hooked up at the top of the Galway train , proof that on occasion older stock got attached to Mk2 trains

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junctionmad View Post
    proof that on occasion older stock got attached to Mk2 trains
    Not occasional that one! Every weekday for several years. Down Day Mail at 11:10 (or so) from Heuston carried the TPO and Van down, and the 15:10 (or so) from Galway brought it back up. The Mk2AC set did the 05:20 Up from Cork and the 20:35 Down to Cork, before and after the round trip to Galway.

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